Building relationships eases racial tension. A solution to racism is to be more like Jesus and build relationships with people not like us. That's what today's episode is all about.

I sometimes wish we could speed up the calendar this year, turn a few more pages at a time to bring 2020 to a close. With all the turmoil over Covid-19, the presidential election, and heightened racial tension in the US, I would just like to wipe the slate clean and start over again. How about you? Are you with me on this?

During this time we’ve gotten so many conflicting answers as to how to solve these problems, that you don’t know who to believe anymore. Well in today’s episode I interview someone who actually has a solution of where to start in solving the racial tension here in America. Our special guest on today's show is Kevin McNulty, a management consultant, trainer, and coach with unique expertise in the area of race relations. He spent 20 years in the US Air Force, working primarily in human relations education and implementing race relations policies for the military.

Kevin later took that experience and formed a management consulting practice in 2000 to help organizations increase their effectiveness through improved human and workplace dynamics.

I spoke with Kevin shortly after the George Floyd Minneapolis incident in May, 2020. Listen in to our conversation, where at this point Kevin is talking about the important role of relationships in dealing with race relations.   He gives examples of how building relationships eases racial tension.

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If you forget everything else, here’s the one thing I hope you remember from today’s episode.

To ease racial tensions it’s important we model ourselves after Jesus and build relationships with people of a race different from ours. This requires a lot more of us then protesting. Protests draws attention to the problem. Building relationships helps solve the problem.

Here’s what you can do in response to today’s show.

I really like Kevin’s idea of churches coming together from different racial backgrounds. Doing things together every now and then. Like a joint Thanksgiving service in November, and maybe a Juneteenth service in June. Even just twice a year. I wonder if that would fly. It would be worth a try.

I know that would please God and put a smile on his face.

You could also check out episode 43, “Thankful for people different from me.” You’ll find some interesting replies from listeners to this episode.

If you’d like to know more about Kevin McNulty and the work he does you can go to these links:

As always, another thing you could do is let me and your fellow listeners know what resonated with you about today’s episode. You can share your thoughts in the “Leave a Reply” box at the bottom of the show notes. Or you can send them to me in an email to

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I hope your thinking was stimulated by today’s show, to both reflect and to act. So that you will find the joy God intends for you through your relationships. Because after all, You Were Made for This.

Now for Our Relationship Quote of the Week

It comes from the same quote from episode 56, which is especially timely for today show:

Go out and make friends with people who don’t look like you.  ~ Karem Abdul-Jabbar

That’s all for today.

See you next week. Bye for now.